In the RG here:
“Ask for consent — sober consent — and respect the answer you get,” he said. “And if after hearing what I just said you’re chuckling to yourself or to your neighbor, the door is over there. You don’t belong with us.”
The room erupted in applause.
It took Gottfredson 2 months to admit we had a problem.
If we’re going to teach men not to rape, why not teach women not to drink themselves into bad situations? Personal responsibility all around.
Unless this school feels men are rapists by default?
Everyone needs to know that alcohol can lead to bad decision making and reckless behavior
And being drunk does not legally qualify you as non-consenting. You’d have to be passed out for someone to be charged criminally.
It seems many people right now discuss consent as their ideal (both parties sober and consenting, verbally) without mentioning or considering what the legal thresholds are and then are shocked when the legal system doesn’t correspond to their view of what consent should be.
Agreed. We probably should teach women not to wear provocative clothes. In fact, it would probably be best for them if they covered themselves completely, abstained from alcohol, and never left the house without a make family member to escort them. Surely that would minimize their risk of being assaulted by a man (who, of course, won’t have the same restrictions apply to them).
The trouble with this comment is that its irony is lost as it is not directly under the first comment above. I see what you did there, but in the wrong place…
Honestly, “Anonymous,” if you’re faculty, you don’t belong with us either.
if you classified, you don’t belong with *us* either.
Dear Anonymous,
If this was meant as a satirical response to Schill’s comment, then I would suggest you follow the adage, “Comedy is best left to professionals,” in your future scrivenings.
If this is a serious comment, meant to further the discussion in a meaningful way, then congratulations – you’ve done so, by giving us an example of the opposite of rational decency.
White folks can’t make jokes using the “N” word – they come out sounding like your comment does in the rape conversation.
False equivalency much?
Nah…Bad analogies more.
By which I mean – The door is over there, guy.
In my experience, it took Gottfredson 2 months to speak a complete sentence …
I was impressed with this, especially those last two sentences. It takes some courage for a modern university president to speak this way, during a convocation speech, no less.
Agreed.
Courage is saying something important and true in a public setting where you know it will not get applause.