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UO public records backlog grows – but UO lawyer Kevin Reed gets my free speech emails for free and on time

Sorry, long post.

The UO Public Records Office currently has many unfilled requests for public documents, going back as far as August. They haven’t yet filled any of the requests they’ve received since January 17, more than a month ago, except for boilerplate requests for coaches contracts or directories. A lot of public records are in a filing cabinent. However, recently people have started using something like this ediscovery tool to help them find out public records quicker and mroe efficiently. The Oregon DOJ says two weeks should generally be enough time to provide public records to the public. You can also search up public records from the convenience of your home by using this useful website, Backgroundchecks.org.

The one exception is General Counsel Kevin Reed’s request for my emails as UO Senate President. He emailed me that request the evening of Jan 16th. I sent him a follow-up asking for clarification, and 3 days after receiving that I sent him all the requested emails at no charge – including those responsive to his rather chilling new request:

“Please share any communications you have had with persons associated with the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education in the past 12 months, made in your capacity as an officer of the University Senate or member of any of its committees,  which communications relate to or concern freedom of speech or academic freedom at the University of Oregon.”

Despite my cooperation, Reed tried to convince the PR Officer – who works for him – that I’d tried to hide something. She wouldn’t buy it, and last night she updated the log entry to show that I’d provided the records: Those email exchanges are at the bottom of this post.

The rest of the PR log shows how slow the office is generally. Unfortunately UO does not show the fees they are imposing:

Public Requests Record Log

Request Date Title Requester Status
02/20/2017 Salary Data Thornberry, Max Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/20/2017 Documents Graff, Eli Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/20/2017 Grade distribution Johnson, Donna Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/20/2017 Contract Green, Cooper Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/20/2017 Citations Green, Cooper Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/17/2017 Contract Byrd, Colin Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/17/2017 Records Rubbelke, Nathan Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/17/2017 Payments Meek, Austin Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/16/2017 RFPs McGraw, Noah Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/15/2017 RFPs, scoresheet Wilson, Hayley Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/14/2017 Procurement Sessa, Jacqueline Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/13/2017 Contract Thornberry, Max Records Provided
02/13/2017 Financial Records Berkowitz, Steve Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/13/2017 Stale dated checks Lazar, Michael Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/13/2017 Directory Information Nichols, Kylie Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/09/2017 Contract Fagan, Michael Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/09/2017 Contract Sessa, Jacqueline Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/09/2017 Proposals Dietz, Diane Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/09/2017 Procedures Mitchell, Connor Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/08/2017 Contract Walsh, Cavan Records Provided
02/07/2017 Proposals Dietz, Diane Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/07/2017 Proposals Yrazabal, Jeff Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/07/2017 Contract Jacoby, Kenneth Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/06/2017 Correspondence Blutstein, Allan Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/06/2017 RFPs Schreck, Andy Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/06/2017 RFPs Schneider, Joe Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/06/2017 Report Nguyen, Tran Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/06/2017 Agreement Meek, Austin Records Exempt From Disclosure
02/06/2017 Correspondence Greif, Andrew Records Exempt From Disclosure
02/06/2017 Agreement Greif, Andrew Records Exempt From Disclosure
02/06/2017 Agreement Jacoby, Kenneth Records Exempt From Disclosure
02/03/2017 Contracts Cohen, Kevin Records Provided
02/03/2017 Proposals Fuller, Tami Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/02/2017 Contract Nguyen, Tran No Responsive Records
02/01/2017 Proposals Westcott, Janice Requesting/Reviewing Records
02/01/2017 Proposals Jones, Laura Requesting/Reviewing Records
01/31/2017 RFPs, scoresheet Kennedy, Phil Requesting/Reviewing Records
01/30/2017 Contract Maier, John Records Provided
01/27/2017 Contracts Kanter, Richard Records Provided
01/27/2017 Stale dated checks Carlucci, Christopher Requesting/Reviewing Records
01/26/2017 Records Pitcher, Jack Requesting/Reviewing Records
01/25/2017 Scholarship values Pitcher, Jack Requesting/Reviewing Records
01/25/2017 Qualifications and resume Solomon, Jon Requesting/Reviewing Records
01/25/2017 Correspondence Moskovitz, Diana Records Exempt From Disclosure
01/25/2017 Directory Information Parsi, Arash Records Provided
01/24/2017 Fund Allocation Sanchez-Rutledge Requesting/Reviewing Records
01/24/2017 RFPs Van Dyk, Andrew Requesting/Reviewing Records
01/23/2017 Expenditures Hill, Toni Awaiting Payment
01/23/2017 Proposals Klau, Monica Requesting/Reviewing Records
01/23/2017 Contract Shaw, Dana Records Provided
01/23/2017 Bid results Wolff, Roger Requesting/Reviewing Records
01/22/2017 Correspondence Reed, Kevin Records Provided
01/19/2017 Records and correspondence Thornberry, Max Requesting/Reviewing Records
01/19/2017 Documents Greif, Andrew Records Provided
01/19/2017 Contract Jacoby, Kenneth Requesting/Reviewing Records
01/18/2017 Records Jacoby, Kenneth Records Exempt From Disclosure
01/18/2017 Contract Byrd, Colin Records Provided
01/18/2017 Directory Information Lee, Garrett Records Provided
01/17/2017 Contract Greif, Andrew Records Provided
01/17/2017 Documents Dietz, Diane Records Provided
01/17/2017 Documents Jacoby, Kenneth Records Provided
01/17/2017 Contract Greif, Andrew Records Provided
01/13/2017 Contracts Byrd, Colin Records Provided
01/13/2017 Contract Greif, Andrew Records Provided
01/13/2017 Contracts Thorburn, Ryan Records Provided
01/12/2017 Contract Jacoby, Kenneth Records Provided
01/12/2017 Contracts Jacoby, Kenneth Records Provided
01/12/2017 Contracts Jacoby, Kenneth Records Provided
01/11/2017 Contract Rote, Kyle Records Provided
01/11/2017 Report Hemphill-Haley, Ethan Requesting/Reviewing Records
01/11/2017 Revenue Field, Andrew Records Provided
01/11/2017 Contract Greif, Andrew Records Provided
01/11/2017 Contract Jacoby, Kenneth Records Provided
01/11/2017 Contract Reed, Tarah Awaiting Payment
01/11/2017 Contract Baumbach, Jim Records Provided
01/11/2017 Records Pitcher, Jack Records Exempt From Disclosure
01/09/2017 Publication Byrd, Colin Records Provided
01/06/2017 Grade distribution Gilley, Bruce Records Provided
01/06/2017 Publication Byrd, Colin Records Provided
01/05/2017 Contract Greif, Andrew Records Provided
01/03/2017 RFPs McGraw, Noah Request Withdrawn
01/03/2017 RFQs Poole, Sabina Requesting/Reviewing Records
12/29/2016 Contracts Greif, Andrew Records Provided
12/29/2016 Contract Thorburn, Ryan Records Provided
12/28/2016 RFQs Richardson, McKenzie Requesting/Reviewing Records
12/23/2016 Contract Jacoby, Kenneth Records Provided
12/22/2016 Analyses Idsvoog, Karl Records Provided
12/22/2016 Invoices Walsh, James Records Exempt From Disclosure
12/19/2016 Contract Jacoby, Kenneth Records Provided
12/19/2016 Contracts Greif, Andrew Records Provided
12/19/2016 Contract Byrd, Colin Records Provided
12/16/2016 Contract Byrd, Colin Records Provided
12/16/2016 Contract Jacoby, Kenneth Records Provided
12/14/2016 Contract Smith, AJ Records Provided
12/13/2016 Contracts Kish, Matthew Records Provided
12/13/2016 Purchase orders Shaw, Bruce Awaiting Payment
12/12/2016 RFP Westcott, Janice Records Provided
12/12/2016 RFP Westcott, Janice Records Provided
12/09/2016 Salary Data Acker, Lizzy Records Provided
12/07/2016 Itinerary Simantel, Eric Request Withdrawn
12/07/2016 Contract Simantel, Eric Request Withdrawn
12/07/2016 Contract Byrd, Colin Records Provided
12/06/2016 Financial Records Jacoby, Kenneth Request Withdrawn
12/06/2016 Contract Dodson, Joshua Records Provided
12/05/2016 Correspondence Jennings, Chantel Records Provided
12/05/2016 Correspondence Appleby, Keith Awaiting Payment
12/01/2016 Correspondence Silberman, Daniel Records Provided
12/01/2016 Contracts Reed, Tarah No Responsive Records
11/30/2016 Correspondence Alger, Tyson Requesting/Reviewing Records
11/28/2016 Itinerary Alger, Tyson Records Provided
11/28/2016 Statistics Fischer, Maggie No Responsive Records
11/28/2016 RFP Koch, Heidi Records Provided
11/28/2016 Contracts Greif, Andrew Records Provided
11/28/2016 Contracts Cohen, Kevin Records Provided
11/28/2016 Payments Jennings, Chantel No Responsive Records
11/28/2016 Contract Meek, Austin No Responsive Records
11/28/2016 Occupation data Morgan, Willie No Responsive Records
11/28/2016 Financial Records Novy-Williams, Eben Records Provided
11/23/2016 Reports Greif, Andrew Awaiting Payment
11/22/2016 Contracts Drimmer, Bryan Records Provided
11/22/2016 Contracts Drimmer, Bryan Records Provided
11/21/2016 Contract Levine, Jeffrey Records Provided
11/21/2016 Records Hawthorne, Jonathan Requesting/Reviewing Records
11/21/2016 Attrition records Fischer, Maggie No Responsive Records
11/21/2016 Faculty demographic data Alvarado, Karen Requesting/Reviewing Records
11/18/2016 Personnel Appleby, Keith No Responsive Records
11/18/2016 Contract Halliday, Marie Records Provided
11/17/2016 Email Jacoby, Kenneth Records Exempt From Disclosure
11/16/2016 Records Nguyen, Tran Records Exempt From Disclosure
11/16/2016 Records Nguyen, Tran Records Exempt From Disclosure
11/16/2016 Employee Information Theen, Andrew Records Provided
11/15/2016 Report Pitcher, Jack Records Exempt From Disclosure
11/15/2016 Email Theen, Andrew Records Provided
11/15/2016 Title IX complaints Theen, Andrew Requesting/Reviewing Records
11/15/2016 Report Pitcher, Jack Records Exempt From Disclosure
11/11/2016 Contract Johnson, Mark Records Provided
11/10/2016 RFP Kennedy, Phil Records Provided
11/10/2016 Email Jacoby, Kenneth Awaiting Payment
11/10/2016 Contracts Dolisi, Joseph Records Provided
11/09/2016 Stale dated checks London, Jeffrey Records Provided
11/08/2016 Law Documents Harbaugh, Bill Records Provided
11/03/2016 RFP and budget Graziano, Greg Records Provided
11/03/2016 Archives Hawthorne, Jonathan Requesting/Reviewing Records
11/02/2016 Sports camps Berkowitz, Steve Records Provided
11/02/2016 Grade distribution Johnson, Donna Request Withdrawn
11/02/2016 Records Theen, Andrew No Responsive Records
11/02/2016 Audits Thornberry, Max Awaiting Payment
10/31/2016 Documents Lockwood, Kat Records Provided
10/27/2016 RFPs, scoresheets Dunaway, Derek Requesting/Reviewing Records
10/25/2016 Records Parker, Haley Records Provided
10/25/2016 Correspondence Greif, Andrew Awaiting Payment
10/24/2016 Contracts Jacoby, Kenneth Records Provided
10/21/2016 Agreement Thornberry, Max No Responsive Records
10/20/2016 RFP award information Sessa, Jacqueline Request Withdrawn
10/20/2016 Invoices Pitcher, Jack Records Provided
10/20/2016 Meeting Materials Poole, Sabina Request Withdrawn
10/19/2016 RFQs Bhawal, Biplab Records Provided
10/17/2016 Reports Pitcher, Jack Records Provided
10/17/2016 Directory Information Garcia, Miguel Awaiting Payment
10/14/2016 Administrative expenses Stewart, Hannah Awaiting Payment

 

10/14/2016 Contracts Hadar, Roey Records Provided
10/13/2016 Expense Reports Kiley, Zachary Awaiting Payment
10/13/2016 Proposals Pratt, Gwen Records Provided
10/11/2016 Salary Data Kenoyer, Kelly Awaiting Payment
10/07/2016 Reports Nguyen, Tran Records Provided
10/07/2016 Invoices Greer, Jeff Records Provided
10/07/2016 Contract Rudiger, Kevin Records Provided
10/05/2016 Correspondence Blutstein, Allan Awaiting Payment
10/05/2016 Contracts Garfein, Richard Records Provided
10/05/2016 Contracts Kelley, Kevin No Responsive Records
10/05/2016 Directory Information Ho, Anida Awaiting Payment
10/04/2016 Contracts Reed, Tarah Records Provided
09/30/2016 Report Nguyen, Tran Records Exempt From Disclosure
09/30/2016 Outdated Vendor Checks Minotti, Anthony Records Provided
09/30/2016 Correspondence Brown, Matt Records Provided
09/29/2016 Contracts Rogers, Kendall Records Provided
09/29/2016 Grade distribution Campbell, Will Records Provided
09/15/2016 Contract and correspondence Scher, Todd Awaiting Payment
09/15/2016 Email Frisch, Deborah Awaiting Payment
09/12/2016 RFP and budget Lewis, Christian Records Provided
09/08/2016 Real estate documents Frisch, Deborah Awaiting Payment
09/06/2016 Personnel records Capriel, Joanathan No Responsive Records
09/06/2016 Personnel records Frisch, Deborah No Responsive Records
09/06/2016 Responses Theen, Andrew Records Provided
09/02/2016 RFPs, scoresheet Wright, Julia Records Provided
09/02/2016 RFPs, scoresheet Wright, Julia Records Provided
09/01/2016 RFPs, scoresheet Lewis, Christian No Responsive Records
09/01/2016 University purchasing Deleoian, Ken Awaiting Payment
09/01/2016 Payment bond Carpenter, Brent No Responsive Records
08/30/2016 Expenditures Patterson, Craig Request Withdrawn
08/29/2016 Report Nguyen, Tran No Responsive Records
08/26/2016 Records Ackerman, Linda Requesting/Reviewing Records
08/26/2016 Report Nguyen, Tran Records Exempt From Disclosure
08/25/2016 RFPs, scoresheet Lewis, Christian Records Provided
08/24/2016 Contracts Roussel, Pete Records Provided
08/19/2016 Contracts Sessa, Jacqueline Records Provided
08/17/2016 Records Duncan, Andrew Records Provided
08/16/2016 Contracts Greif, Andrew Records Provided
08/10/2016 Contracts Cohen, Kevin Records Provided
08/08/2016 Game Contracts Kelley, Kevin Records Provided

On ThursdayFeb 2, 2017, at 10:42 AM, [email protected] wrote:

2/2/2017

Hi Professor Harbaugh,

I’m writing to follow up on the email I sent you on 1/24, regarding Kevin Reed’s request for “…all communications made in in the past 12 months, between the current chair of the Senate Transparency Committee and members of the committee concerning the business of this committee, as well as all communications between the Chair of the STC and any members of the media concerning or mentioning the committee”. The full language of the request is below:

 “Please consider this a request, under the Oregon Public Records Law, of all communications made in in the past 12 months, between the current chair of the Senate Transparency Committee and members of the committee concerning the business of this committee, as well as all communications between the Chair of the STC and any members of the media concerning or mentioning the committee.”

As I mentioned previously, all we need is an estimate of how long it will take you (or someone else) to find, gather, and send any responsive records to our office. If someone else will do the work, please send their name so we can form an accurate estimate. There is no need to send any documents at this time; however, if gathering and sending the records will take less than one hour the office asks that you provide the records at your nearest convenience.

Thanks for your assistance, and feel free to contact us if you have any questions.

Lisa

Office of Public Records
University of Oregon
Office of the General Counsel
6207 University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403-6207
541-346-6823
[email protected]

I asked for clarification:

From: Bill Harbaugh
Date: Friday, February 3, 2017 at 11:17 AM
To: Kevin Reed
Cc: Public Record Requests
Subject: Re: Public Records – Request for Documents 2017-PRR-172

Dear General Counsel Reed – 

Two clarifying questions for you:

1) Does your request for 

 all communications between the Chair of the STC and any members of the media concerning or mentioning the committee

includes any such communications from my non-UO hosted email accounts, or texts on my personal phone?

2) When you say “any members of the media”, are you including my communications with bloggers, and organizations such as SPLC and FIRE?

Thanks,
Bill Harbaugh, 
Economics Prof & Senate Pres, University of Oregon, http://senate.uoregon.edu

General Counsel Reed clarified and expanded his request:

On FridayFeb 3, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Kevin Reed <[email protected]> wrote:

Senate President Harbaugh:

In answer to your questions:

1)  I seek all communications concerning or mentioning the STC you made in your capacity as an officer of the University Senate (Vice President, President or member or Chair of the STC), regardless of which media or device you sued for your communication.  

2)  No.  I do not believe FIRE or SPLC qualify as “media.”  If it helps in narrowing the search, please feel free to limit my request to communications with reporters, editors or other personnel associated with the Register Guard, the Oregonian, the Daily Emerald, The Chronicle of Higher Education or Inside Higher Ed.

But, given that you have shared that you correspond with FIRE, I will make the additional request under the Oregon Public Records Law:

Please share any communications you have had with persons associated with the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education in the past 12 months, made in your capacity as an officer of the University Senate or member of any of its committees,  which communications relate to or concern freedom of speech or academic freedom at the University of Oregon.

Kevin S. Reed | Vice President and General Counsel

Office of the General Counsel

219 Johnson Hall | Eugene, OR 97403-1226

(541) 346-3082 | [email protected]

I sent Reed the documents:

From: UO Senate President <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Public Records – Request for Documents 2017-PRR-172
Date: February 6, 2017 at 12:26:36 PM PST
To: Kevin Reed <[email protected]>
Cc: Lisa Thornton <[email protected]>, Chris Sinclair <[email protected]>, Scott R Maier <[email protected]>, Brent Walth <[email protected]>, Gina Psaki <[email protected]>, Dianne Dugaw <[email protected]>

Dear GC Reed – 

The attached folder has the public records you requested. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Bill Harbaugh, Senate President, Economics Professor, University of Oregon

I wrote to Reed and the PRO office, asking that hey correct the log to make clear that I’d sent the documents:

From: UO Senate President [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:48 AM
To: Lisa Thornton <[email protected]>
Cc: Kevin Reed <[email protected]>
Subject: Fwd: Public Records – Request for Documents 2017-PRR-172

Dear Public Records Officer Thornton – 

I’m writing to ask that you correct the public records log at http://publicrecords.uoregon.edu/content/correspondence-19 which currently reads

Correspondence

Requester: Reed, Kevin

Organization: Private

Initial Request Date: 01/22/2017

Status: Requesting/Reviewing Records

Please consider this a request, under the Oregon Public Records Law, of all communications made in in the past 12 months, between the current chair of the Senate Transparency Committee and members of the committee concerning the business of this committee, as well as all communications between the Chair of the STC and any members of the media concerning or mentioning the committee.

Corrections:

1) As you can see in the emails below, GC Reed made these requests in his official capacity as University of Oregon GC, not as “Private”.

2) As you can see in the emails below, GC Reeds request evolved over time, and I believe the log should show the final actual request.

3) As you can see in the emails below, I have provided the documents that GC requested in that final request, and the log should note this. 

Thanks, 

Bill Harbaugh, Senate President Economics Professor University of Oregon

GC Reed responded by ignoring my point that he had made the requests in his official capacity and doubting I had done this and demanding I explain what exemptions I’d used:

On FridayFeb 17, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Kevin Reed wrote:

PRO Thornton:

Here is what Mr. Harbaugh said about his production on his blog:

“OK, so I might have left out a few emails with reporters.”

Unless he is prepared to describe the exemptions under the Oregon Public Records law on which he relied to withhold responsive emails, and unless you concur that those exemptions justify the withholding,  I think it would be inaccurate to say that he responded to my request.

Should you need any guidance on the interpretation of the PRL as it relates to exemptions, please consult with Doug Park or Bryan Dearinger.

Thank you.

219 Johnson Hall | Eugene, OR 97403-1226

(541) 346-3082 | [email protected]

generalcounsel.uoregon.edu

I responded to PRO Thornton, explaining that General Counsel Reed was confused:

From: UO Senate President [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:33 PM
To: Lisa Thornton
Subject: Re: Public Records – Request for Documents 2017-PRR-172

Dear Ms Thornton:

General Counsel Reed’s PR request, as he clarified it on Feb 3, asked me for

“all communications concerning or mentioning the STC you made in your capacity as an officer of the University Senate (Vice President, President or member or Chair of the STC)”

and

“any communications you have had with persons associated with the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education in the past 12 months, made in your capacity as an officer of the University Senate or member of any of its committees,  which communications relate to or concern freedom of speech or academic freedom at the University of Oregon.”

(emphasis added). As I wrote to him and to you on Feb 14th,

I responded to this on Feb 6th, ccing Thornton, with a folder which I believe contains all the relevant emails. There are no relevant texts.

I am not claiming any exemptions under the PR law. I’m not sure why he thinks my blog comment suggests that I’ve done so, or why he thinks my blog is relevant at all to this request. Please update the Public Records log to reflect that this PR request was made by GC Reed in his official capacity, and that the request has been satisfied.

Thank you,

Bill Harbaugh, Senate President, Economics Professor, University of Oregon

And Ms Thornton promptly and helpfully responded by correcting the log.

She also introducing the novel argument that because UO’s interpretation of state law requires requests come from private citizens, Reed must have been acting as such, even though he used his official UO email and title, etc:

2/20/2017

Professor Harbaugh 

As you know, the office has a long practice of holding that employees of a public body cannot make public records requests of the public body they work for. As such, Mr. Reed’s public records request was made in his capacity as a private citizen, just as your public records requests are make in your capacity as a private citizen, rather than a professor.

Additionally, I specifically asked you to provide responsive records to the office. We ask that you (and anyone providing records responsive to a public records request) do this to ensure the records are responsive, and that information that is exempt from disclosure is not inadvertently provided to the requestor. In reviewing the records you provided Mr. Reed I noted they contained personal contact information, which may be exempt from disclosure. Providing the records to the office, rather than directly to the requestor, would have prevented that information from being released. It is also unusual for the office to have received the records in .PDFs. The office prefers to receive responsive records in their native format, and requests that you provide any future records to the office in their native format.

I appreciate your assertion that you have provided all of the records responsive to Mr. Reed’s requests for “all communications made in in the past 12 months, between the current chair of the Senate Transparency Committee and members of the committee concerning the business of this committee, as well as all communications between the Chair of the STC and any members of the media concerning or mentioning the committee.”, later clarified to “all communications concerning or mentioning the STC you made in your capacity as an officer of the University Senate (Vice President, President or member or Chair of the STC)” and defining requested members of the media to be “…communications with reporters, editors or other personnel associated with the Register Guard, the Oregonian, the Daily Emerald, The Chronicle of Higher Education or Inside Higher Ed.”

I also appreciate you advising the office that you have provided all of the records responsive to Mr. Reed’s request for  “any communications you have had with persons associated with the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education in the past 12 months, made in your capacity as an officer of the University Senate or member of any of its committees,  which communications relate to or concern freedom of speech or academic freedom at the University of Oregon.”

When there is doubt as to whether all records have been provided in response to a request the office makes a practice of confirming with the office or employee who assisted the office that all records were indeed given to the office in response to the request. The office appreciates that you have now confirmed that you have provided the entirety of the records responsive to Mr. Reed’s request, and I will now close this matter.

Sincerely,

Lisa

Lisa Thornton, Public Records Officer

One Comment

  1. Eugenenative 02/23/2017

    I love it. They were trying to “teach you a lesson” and they ended up being schooled.

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