Oregon refunds $500 fine, DOJ lawyer begs judge to drop engineer’s lawsuit

12/12/2017: From the Oregonian, and also in the WaPo:

Oregon’s Board of Examiners for Engineering and Land Surveying unconstitutionally applied state law governing engineering practice to Mats Järlström when he exercised his free speech about traffic lights and described himself as an engineer since he was doing so “in a noncommercial” setting and not soliciting professional business, the state Department of Justice has conceded.

“We have admitted to violating Mr. Järlström’s rights,” said Christina L. Beatty-Walters, senior assistant attorney general, in federal court Monday.

The state’s regulation of Järlström under engineering practice law “was not narrowly tailored to any compelling state interests,” she wrote in court papers.

The state has pledged the board will not pursue the Beaverton man any further when he’s not acting in a commercial or professional manner, and on Monday urged a federal judge to dismiss the case. The state also sent a $500 check to Järlström in August, reimbursing him for the state fine.

Järlström and his lawyers argued that’s not good enough. …

4/30/2017: State fines Oregon man $500 for doing math without a license – is pastry next?

Unlicensed polymath Robert Plamodon has the latest on his Unlicensed Practitioner blog here, regarding the efforts of the Oregon State Board of Examiners for Engineering and Land Surveying to fine Mats Jarlstrom $500.

Mr. Jarlstrom’s special crime? He wrote letters about traffic light timing, with math in them, and noted that he had a degree in engineering, which he does. He did not claim to be a licensed Civil Engineer, and yet the OSBEELS quickly got medieval guildish on him. From their website:

Mr. Jarlstrom claimed to be an engineer to OSBEELS, the City of Beaverton, Washington County Sheriff, and other organizations when providing engineering algorithms and calculations to change traffic light timing. The final order was issued against Mr. Jarlstrom assessing a $500 civil penalty for violations of ORS 672.020 and 672.045, engaging in the practice of engineering without proper registration, and Oregon Administrative Rule (OAR) 820- 010-0730, using the title of engineer without identifying the jurisdiction in which he is registered.

From what I can tell the OSBEEL would have no case against Mr. Jarlstrom if he’d expressed his suggestions in prose, or as limericks. It’s the math that got him in trouble. So he’s fighting back with words. From his subsequent First Amendment lawsuit against the State Board:

[Full disclosure: I put myself through college working as an unlicensed oil field surveyor, and to compound things I did so in part as an illegal alien in Chetwynd BC, along the lovely Sukunka River. When the Mounties caught me they gave me a week to leave, and not only did they not fine me, they told me to call them if I had any problems getting the rest of my paycheck from the survey co.]

In other news, the Oregon Higher Education Coordinating Commission is finally taking up the challenge of protecting Oregonians from dangerous, uncertified pastry chefs. The agenda for their May 11th meeting:

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8 Responses to Oregon refunds $500 fine, DOJ lawyer begs judge to drop engineer’s lawsuit

  1. It’s in the New York Times, too: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/business/traffic-light-fine.html

    I suppose the state’s budget woes would be over if they fined all of us unlicensed hoodlums who engage in the “practice of engineering.”

    • UO Matters says:

      Count on the Times to focus on the sexy math stuff, and ignore Oregon’s unregulated pastry problem.

  2. The Board is doing us a favor. By default, we’d tend to treat them with respect. These reminders of their pointy-haired cluelessness set us straight.

  3. Quackster says:

    In a conceptual sense, this battle has already been fought and won in Oregon. It happened in 2002, when UO geology professor Mark Reed had the temerity to testify against Eugene Sand & Gravel’s proposal to create a huge gravel mining operation north of Santa Clara, in the backyard of popular Thistledown Farm.

    Reed’s testimony, barbed and effective, shot holes in the findings of some state-licensed, practicing geologists retained by Eugene Sand. The company promptly filed a (ludicrous) complaint with the State Board of Geologist Examiners, alleging that Reed was practicing geology with a license. His crime was speaking in public meetings as a citizen on what he knew about, well, geology. Anybody, it seems, could testify about geology — except a geologist.

    The board bought the argument. It notified Reed that it was prepared to drop the hammer on him, alleging that no fewer than 49 times had he engaged in the public practice of geology without a license. Quicker than you can say “pro bono,” three prominent Eugene lawyers, including two from the UO law school, lined up to take on what they saw as a slam-dunk First Amendment case.

    The geology board’s retreat was hasty and total. And Eugene Sand, unable to have Reed’s testimony tossed, ultimately lost its battle to create the mining operation.

    It’s all in this collection of news articles from the web:
    http://itech.fgcu.edu/faculty/ndemers/mining/9%20Newspaper,Reed%20testimony%202a.pdf

  4. Pete Rasmussen says:

    Are You a licensed Journalist ?? Lol :) and by the way, I was raised in northern BC and spent a few weeks on the Sukunka river. I thought I saw an alien there :)

  5. moss defender says:

    This reminds me of the Amazon Housing / Christopher Alexander / Spencerview case.

    • dtl says:

      moss defender — please expand on that — I’m unfamiliar (or don’t remember) the Amazon Housing / Christopher Alexander / Spencerview case.

      • moss defender says:

        ok short summary early 90s there was a well rounded and extremely vocal movement to save amazon housing….apts there were approx 50 per month……..Christopher Alexander and others claimed that UO needed to preserve amazon because it was well constructed and had historic significance…..the UO bulldozed it and arrested activists on the site….elderly activists versus UO dozers……Christopher Alexander was threatened by the state/ UO who made a dubious claim something like he was operating without a license by offering his opinion on the strong potential for a successful preservation of amazon housing….Chris Ramey may be able to give you more details or perhaps Ken Guzowski….UO demolition of Amazon the day before the hearing pertaining to its potential preservation was something that should be more widely understood….but this isnt really a school anymore now is it….now more about the debt over the dorm that was constructed for olympic athletes….can they pay it off with lotto dollars like the new LCC bribes to kool aid drinking student vaxxers….anyway there used to be vast amounts of emerald articles on the amazon subject but emerald has made those unavailable now due to focus on creating a emerald brand beer and various have your photo taken in a large o gimmicks

  6. moss defender says:

    other related interesting points – a few buildings (the ones UO claimed were useless) from amazon were moved by st vincent depaul and still exist today…the entire Amazon is still listed on the natl historic register this is some of the underlying reasons I spent over a decade attempting to trap UO admin into forced preservation of public owned potentially historic homes in the Moss Villard Columbia Fairmount area…to this day they mismanage keep empty and neglect (strategic degradation ) the rest of family housing so they can do more nauseating projects like the “central” kitchen blight they placed on to of nice homes near 17th and Columbia….its even uglier than the17th and Moss street daycare boondoggle they used to wipe out many other properties…the old daycare site is 15th and moss where they leave the homes obce used for that abandoned and store rubbish in them…..worst university ever..i was a child at that daycare from about 73 – 75 and lived a few houses south from it before UO made such a mess of that entire area BTW did that leaning UO crap dorm they built accross the street sink any farther into the ground ? i hope so

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