Dana Altman and Mario Cristobal’s “student athletes” just aren’t graduating

I’m sure Duck Faculty Athletic Reps Tim Gleason and Josh Gordon will have a complete explanation for Pres Schill’s Intercollegiate Athletics Advisory Committee.

73% of Cristobal’s players graduate within 6 years, 20% of Altman’s do. Many problems with this metric, but why is UO at the bottom?

From Jon Wilner’s PAC-12 news:

— The scores listed here are the most-recent four-year averages, covering athletes who entered school from 2011-14.

Football

Stanford: 93
Utah: 90
Arizona State: 86
Washington: 85
Washington State: 85
Cal: 84
Oregon State: 82
USC: 81
Colorado: 77
Arizona: 73
Oregon: 73
UCLA: 71

Basketball

Arizona State: 100
Cal: 100
Stanford: 100
USC: 100
Utah: 100
Washington State: 100
Colorado: 92
Washington: 75
Oregon State: 67
Arizona: 60
UCLA: 55
Oregon: 20

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7 Responses to Dana Altman and Mario Cristobal’s “student athletes” just aren’t graduating

  1. Observer says:

    One of the possibilities is that UO faculty have standards and do not give athletes an automatic pass.

    • uomatters says:

      Or maybe the Provost isn’t spending enough money subsidizing the Jock Box tutoring?

    • Dog says:

      a) University faculty do have standards, but they are usually based on arbitrary crap. For instance, I know some UO faculty that have the “standard” that athletes get an automatic pass, independent of whether or not they ever show up in a class.

      b) I have taught lots of athletes (from all the UO sports) and many of them have been in ON line classes. For a long time, football players were the worst. But then a few years ago (maybe even 10 years ago) – more “classroom support and tutors” were put in place for football players and improvement happened, like assignments were actually done (not sure by who of course, but they were submitted).

      c) In contrast, the situation for men’s basketball players has really deteriorated over the last 10 years (I can’t speak to anything after 2019) with many of these students no submitting anything. I have had a few “conversations” with this profile – most of them claim that the UO is a transient stop among their travelling transfer activities. It is now well documented that among college basketball players, the rate of transfers is strongly increasing, for example

      https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2021/college-basketball-transfers-2021-1234646192/

      so I think the 20% reflects a lot of this transfer activity

      • Anas clypeata says:

        I wonder how that explanation (part c) intersects with the reported 100% graduation rate of the top six schools in the list. Maybe the UO includes students who transferred in the denominator and other schools do not? That would be strange, but the difference between 1/5 and 1 is a huge difference.

        • Dog says:

          we seem to have a high percentage of transfers – schools that shoot for one and done are susceptible to this; also legal problems
          are high for mens basketball team

    • thedude says:

      So we only hold standards for the male football teams and basketball teams but give easy passes to everyone else?

      This is probably more driven both by selection (preparedness coming in), and how much the coaches demand of students with practice, travel, and the level of outside distractions (partying) the coaches tolerate.

  2. Rich says:

    Am I reading this right?

    Players who entered 2011-14

    And Cristobal arrived in 2017 and became HC in 2018

    So Cristobal didn’t recruit any of those players and who knows how many were still associated with the team when he became head coach.

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